2012-2013 Roster

[goldenbolt]

Originally Posted by Sotnos

I've not seen this talked about outside of a few Canadian outlets, mostly HNIC.

Amnesty and roll back of CAP are the prime requirements for ownership in this CBA agreement.
I recall last time we went thru this I never thought they would strike / lockout but they did and gave way a whole season of hockey. So when you hear that conversation about Amnesty and CAP roll backs I sure hope it's just hugging and loving not screaming and hollering.

The albatross contracts are a MAJOR concern for owners . Every team has at least one if not more. For the sake of hockey they need relief to make the game work.

The players want more money and to cut years off their restricted free agency.

A Good friend of mine would say ok guys let's get it done!

[pete]

Any Schneider deal will happen just before the draft, ahead of the UFA period.

I've got zero problem overpaying if the deal gets the problem fixed long term. None. That's what Yzerman did by stockpiling at the deadline: he built an arsenal so he can fight this battle and win it once and for all. No more band aids. It'll be the last time he ever has to overpay for anything. You can address the rest of the team by free agency or through excellent scouting. You can't buy goaltending or find it hidden under a rock somewhere.

[goldenbolt]

Originally Posted by pete

Any Schneider deal will happen just before the draft, ahead of the UFA period.

Agreed and I wonder out loud why everyone thinks the Canucks have the upper hand in this deal? They need to sign him and he will not sign for 1 mil. They have a huge investment in Luongo and the CBA will not be resolved prior to the Draft or RFA / FA agent periods. That is the chink in the armor for those who think everything will go smooth this summer. CBA will not be done till September, owners and GM's need to make decisions based on what they expect from that agreement - Owners want to lower the cap and that is why those draft picks will be precious for the Bolts. The Canucks are dealing from a weak hand IMHO. But I've been wrong before and sure that I will be in the future we are all waiting to see how this plays out.
If you are thinking that the CAP will be in the 60 mil neighborhood how can you sign players to huge contracts? The GM's will be hard pressed this summer to do their jobs.

Go Bolts

Originally Posted by goldenbolt

The albatross contracts are a MAJOR concern for owners . Every team has at least one if not more. For the sake of hockey they need relief to make the game work.

How do you get relief? You can not wave your wand and make a contract go away as someone will still have to pay either full amount or the buyout as those were the rules when these contracts were signed.

Now you can make it so the contract does not count against the cap, but like I said someone will have to make good on the contract.

[nhljohnson]

Originally Posted by aapbolt

I think I would almost rather see us try and pry Halak from the blues for DRWs 1st and Tic. I am just not convinced about Schneider nor that the Nucks will trade him unless it is a blockbuster deal.

A) Why should St. Louis even consider moving Halak?
B) Why would Halak (an established starter) garner so little?

[nhljohnson]

Originally Posted by goldenbolt

Agreed and I wonder out loud why everyone thinks the Canucks have the upper hand in this deal? They need to sign him and he will not sign for 1 mil. They have a huge investment in Luongo and the CBA will not be resolved prior to the Draft or RFA / FA agent periods. That is the chink in the armor for those who think everything will go smooth this summer. CBA will not be done till September, owners and GM's need to make decisions based on what they expect from that agreement - Owners want to lower the cap and that is why those draft picks will be precious for the Bolts. The Canucks are dealing from a weak hand IMHO. But I've been wrong before and sure that I will be in the future we are all waiting to see how this plays out.
If you are thinking that the CAP will be in the 60 mil neighborhood how can you sign players to huge contracts? The GM's will be hard pressed this summer to do their jobs.

Go Bolts

Again, I'm pretty sure there's a date prior to July 1 (and I think it's before June) where both sides have to decide whether they want to opt out or not. There are several mainstream voices who have expressed it is a strong possibility a new CBA will not be negotiated until after the 2012-2013 season.

[aapbolt]

NHLJ, both Halak and Elliott were, if memory serves me right, signed to two year contracts that are reasonable for their position. They will have to decide eventually who they, the Blues, want to keep and who they want to trade. They traded Bishop and need a good goalie for their AHL team and who will need a year or so of seasoning before moving up to the big club, Tic. Could be that guy for them. Obviously the price is negotiable, hopefully not a big overpay,but as Pete has said we only have to overpay once for a starter then fill in from there. I am just not sure that the Nucks trade,because i am not sure they have a lot of confidence in Lu, Schneider unless they have no choice and am still not sure Schneider is the answer. But fully realize we have to get a #1goalie.

[goldenbolt]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

How do you get relief? You can not wave your wand and make a contract go away as someone will still have to pay either full amount or the buyout as those were the rules when these contracts were signed.

Now you can make it so the contract does not count against the cap, but like I said someone will have to make good on the contract.

Absolutely, making good on the contract will need to happen in some fashion. Not sure if even the players / owners have all their cards on the table.

Go Bolts

[nhljohnson]

Originally Posted by nhljohnson

Again, I'm pretty sure there's a date prior to July 1 (and I think it's before June) where both sides have to decide whether they want to opt out or not. There are several mainstream voices who have expressed it is a strong possibility a new CBA will not be negotiated until after the 2012-2013 season.

I stand corrected. I thought I saw reference to language in the current CBA that allowed for a one-year continuance under the existing provisions. I seem to have misremembered (or probably recalled reading articles and tweets a year old!) as there IS language for a one-year continuance but that option was exercised after the 2010-2011 season for this past season. From "Term":

The CBA is six years in duration (through the 2010-11 season) with the NHLPA having the option to re-open the agreement after Year Four (after the 2008-09 season). The NHLPA also has the option of extending the CBA for an additional year at the end of the term.

Funny how the mind works sometimes.

[goldenbolt]

Originally Posted by nhljohnson

Again, I'm pretty sure there's a date prior to July 1 (and I think it's before June) where both sides have to decide whether they want to opt out or not. There are several mainstream voices who have expressed it is a strong possibility a new CBA will not be negotiated until after the 2012-2013 season.

That would sure make life a lot easier for several teams including the bolts. Let's hope that is the decision from the players and owners.

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